S3 Episode 20: The Work I Didn't Know I Needed Until I Reach My Limit - A Mother's Journey Into Nervous System Healing with Dr Kylie Foster

Welcome back to My Mighty Quinn

In this deeply personal episode, I’m joined by Dr Kylie Foster — neurologically focused chiropractor, founder of Organic Family Chiropractic, and someone who has become an incredibly important part of both mine and Quinn’s healing journey.

This conversation is different.

Because one of the questions I’m asked again and again by parents is:
“What did you actually do?”
“Who helped you?”
“What has your journey really looked like behind the scenes?”

And the truth is, one of the most foundational pieces of our healing journey has been nervous system work.

Together, Dr Kylie and I explore why nervous system regulation is not a “nice extra” in healing — but the foundation upon which everything else rests.

Because when the body is stuck in survival mode…
When a child’s nervous system is overwhelmed…
When a mother’s body has been living in chronic stress for years…

Healing becomes much harder.

This episode is an honest, compassionate and eye-opening conversation about what nervous system dysregulation actually looks like in babies, children and parents — and how neurologically focused chiropractic care can help restore safety, regulation and resilience to the entire family system.

Key takeaways

• What neurologically focused chiropractic care actually is — and how it differs from traditional chiropractic approaches
• Why nervous system regulation is foundational for digestion, immunity, emotional regulation, behaviour and healing
• How chronic stress and “fight or flight” impact both children and parents
• Why babies may struggle with latching, feeding, reflux, tension, sleep and regulation after stressful pregnancies or births
• The early signs of nervous system stress parents can look out for in newborns and young children
• How nervous system dysregulation can evolve into anxiety, sensory issues, emotional dysregulation, attention difficulties and behavioural challenges later in childhood
• The importance of co-regulation and why children borrow safety from the nervous systems around them
• How nervous system work can help increase resilience, adaptability and emotional capacity for the whole family
• Why healing is not about “fixing” children — but helping their nervous systems feel safe enough to heal

This episode is both deeply educational and profoundly emotional.

It’s a conversation about motherhood.
About survival.
About the body keeping score.
And about the possibility of healing when we finally understand that nervous system support is not optional — it is foundational.

If you’ve ever felt like your child’s struggles are deeper than “just behaviour”…
If you’ve been holding everything together while quietly falling apart yourself…
Or if you’ve sensed there’s a missing piece nobody has properly explained…

This episode is for you.

Resources

The Nervous System Toolkit for Parents and Carers

FREE Masterclass "From Burnout to Breakthrough" with Dr Kylie Foster

Dr Kylie's Website - Organic Family Chiropractic

Transcript

Lucia Silver (00:00)
Welcome back to My Mighty Quinn, a mother's conversations with world leading experts. Today's episode feels, well, really personal. I've entitled it, The Work I Didn't Know I Needed Until I Reach My Limit, A Mother's Journey Into Nervous System Healing. Because one of the questions I get asked again and again by parents is this, what did you actually do? Who do you see? And what has your journey really looked like behind the scenes?

And I think there's a quiet curiosity and often a deep hope that if parents can understand this, they might find a clearer path for their own child. So today I'm bringing you into my very personal arena. I'm shining a light on a part of my journey and Quinn's journey that has been absolutely foundational for us. And I'm doing that with someone who has become a deeply important part of both of our lives. I'm joined by Dr. Kylie Foster.

a neurologically focused chiropractor and founder of the fantastic organic family chiropractic here in Cheltenham and someone Quinn and I see every single week. But more than that, someone who has supported me as well as Quinn, not just physically, but emotionally and brought foundational and critical support to my nervous system as a mother navigating this journey.

Before we dive in, I want to frame something that sits right at the heart of everything we do at the Brain Health Movement. Healing has a sequence. Because what I've learned, both through Quinn's journey and through conversations with our many world-leading experts on our Whole Child Healing Course and Roadmap, is that you can have the best diet, the best supplements, and many of the best therapies. But if the body is stuck in fight or flight, if the nervous system is dysregulated,

if the cells are still in a stress response, these things don't land, they don't integrate, and they certainly don't create lasting change. So for me, this work, nervous system work, in this case through neurologically focused chiropractic care, is foundational. So welcome, Kylie, we're so very happy to have you with us today.

Dr Kylie Foster (02:16)
Thank you very much for inviting me to come and talk with you. I'm very excited.

Lucia Silver (02:22)
So as I've been saying, Kylie, this work prepares the body so everything else can actually work. And today we're going to unpack what that really means. So I feel like the best place to start is in understanding that many parents will recognize the value of this work, but they might hear chiropractic and they hear nervous system and they sort of understand it, but not really. These are sort of terms that we wing around. And I think one of the biggest missing pieces

is what's actually happening in the body in your own words? What is neurologically focused chiropractic care?

Dr Kylie Foster (02:58)
So in my opinion, neurologically focused chiropractic care is just about understanding that adaptation to stress because the nervous system is, you know, it's the coordinator of it. And when we have really good capacity for stress, like the little things that happen in our day that either send us over the edge or don't, when we have the capacity, the little things don't send us over the edge. So when we have that, we're really looking at how well the brain and the body are talking. And it's just a feedback system.

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But that feedback system helps to really understand do we feel safe? Do we feel regulated through the stressful moments and are we adaptable or?

Are we finding that we are struggling with tension, overwhelmed? Do we have compensations through the body? And really chiropractic care of this nature is focused on finding and understanding that, and then using very specific adjustments with very specific force to really support the nervous system in the way that it needs when it shows up that day.

So it's slightly different to the standard, what's well known chiropractic work in, especially in the UK and in the US as well.

Lucia Silver (04:12)
That's really helpful. And when we're talking about nervous system as foundational, and I certainly bleed on about it, I find myself saying, information is the mothership, nervous system is the mothership, know, learn about it, learn about it. But why does this need to come first? Why does it proceed so much else, Kylie?

Dr Kylie Foster (04:25)
Hahaha

Well, your nervous system is, in my experience anyway, and from what I know, it's the foundation of all in terms of what's coordinating in the body, your digestion, your hormones, your ability to respond to viruses, bugs, so your immune response, your emotional regulation. It's foundational for that coordination. So if we don't have those systems all being coordinated by one system, they just do not function very well. And when we've been under such periods of prolonged

stress or one significant event setting the tone that that's going to be our adaptation level to stress, then we get stuck in that kind of survival mode where we feel like we're just getting through the day. And when we're stuck there, we're not coordinating, we're not healing, and we're not allowing those systems to really run as they're supposed to. And ⁓ short periods of time, okay, that can become adaptability and pliability within the system. But it's that long-term or that big shock in

into

the system that really throws off all those other organ systems as well. And that can just, you know, that,

doesn't really matter how much external things you put into the body to support it. It has to really be regenerated from within and the nervous system, you know, the brain, that is its primary job is to coordinate all of that. I often say the brain's job is to keep you alive, but the quality of your life is really determined by its connection and its feedback through the other systems as well.

Lucia Silver (06:06)
I mean, that really speaks to sequence, doesn't it? When we see, in some cases, some of our parents that we speak to will have thrown huge amounts of supplementation or even certain types of therapies at their children, and yet there is something missing when we don't address the nervous system first.

Dr Kylie Foster (06:30)
Yeah, I often

see that. I often see that you end up with these families where, you know, they're throwing absolutely everything at it because to be honest, just like kind of what you've created with your course, you've created this big, like multiple modules of areas you have to deep dive into because the nervous system is coordinating the feedback and the kind of communication to all of those. So when we throw everything at it, but we kind of skip that foundational element, it can often feel like from my experience,

parents will get so far and be like, yep, this worked for a little bit, or we got to one part and then it plateaued or it dropped again. And it's because we don't have that foundation. So I really believe in investing that time, energy, money at any point in the journey into how do I know that my child's nervous system actually has some form of adaptability? And when is it appropriate to then layer it up or integrate in other therapies that are really going to actually get the benefit for like the full benefit of being

able to utilize and really see a system that works with that versus, we got so far, but then that's it.

Lucia Silver (07:37)
Yeah, yeah. And that's terribly frustrating and expensive for parents to not get the sequence right. So for those parents who are wondering what's the difference between neurologically focused chiropractic work and traditional chiropractic care, can you help us understand that a little bit? Because I think when I talk to parents sometimes I think I'm going and being sort of cricked around and it really isn't that. Unless you think I need a good crick, isn't. Is it?

Dr Kylie Foster (07:41)
Absolutely.

Thank ⁓

Hahaha!

No, so traditionally, what's understood as traditional chiropractic care is really like musculoskeletal conditions. So back pain and neck pain, the classic thing. So what I do in practice and what chiropractors like me that are more focused on that brain side of chiropractic and the nervous system's capacity to adapt, what we're really looking at is how the whole system is working as a whole so that we're not just chasing symptoms around the body. Like pain shows up here, let's adjust that. We're really trying to look at

How is that whole body holding stress? How is it adapting and how is it actually regulating? And we can see this through movement patterns, through muscle, like stretch receptors in the body. We can see this through reflexes. We can see this through balance exercises, coordination testing. We can really see how well a system is holding itself together when we look at it as a whole with some parts that need working on. We can see those areas of disconnect. And when people go through initial exams with these

types of chiropractors, there'll be an awful lot of, you can feel it you can see it in your own body. This is normal, this is abnormal. Okay, and now we've got these abnormalities building up. This is our framework that we have right now. Let's see over the course of care as we work to strengthen those connections, strengthen the adaptability of the nervous system through very specific adjustments. Then we want to retest those to really understand how much strength have we gained in this certain timeframe so that we've got adaptability

now happening in the body with things like balance, coordination, movement patterns. And we tend to find that symptoms like back and neck pain, if we have them when people show up, they tend to disappear pretty quickly, to be honest. And really then it becomes about reprogramming the nervous system for stress, rewiring essentially.

Lucia Silver (09:55)
It's really, really profound work. When someone walks into your clinic though, Kylie, what are they actually going to experience and what are you assessing? So are they on a bed? Are they in a seat? Are they walking around? How do you touch them? I mean, really get granular for us because I think honestly, many parents really, really don't know what it is.

Dr Kylie Foster (10:14)
So actually the first thing that we do is we talk to them. we, the very first kind of, all we want to know about is their story. I believe that every person has a story that has very similar parts to it when we've ended up with a picture of multiple signs and symptoms for various different problems, whether that's a baby, a newborn baby coming in, a mother has had a very stressful pregnancy and that baby's come out fight flight ⁓ because that's what the mother was like during the pregnancy and that's the hormones that were released in the pregnancy that

created that tension hold, whether that's a child that has had been absolutely fine most of its childhood and seen being pretty adaptive, but then suddenly got a bug or a virus or had a significant fall and everything shifted and changed. So these things can happen at different times. So it's really important for us to really understand the story of how the nervous system has kind of lived so far, whether that's a child or an adult. And I still ask adults when we speak to them on the phone as well about, you know, what was your story?

sure mom's pregnancy. You we meet a lot of adults now that are very happy to reach out to us for, or they're referred in through anxiety issues and stress response issues. And they're like, they have this language and they know they need to improve it, but they're not quite sure where to go to do it. So when we listen to their story, we can help them understand why they feel how they feel. And in my mind, it's almost like I'm looking for flags. I'm looking for signs that have happened over time that are very typical, that would force a nervous system into

to

a state of more of survival, like threat, fight, flight, or really down into that deeper survival response that we have, that disconnect, like I'm just barely here, I'm making it through the day, like chronic health, chronic fatigue, autoimmune conditions, know, real kind of big, long-standing health problems when we do that. And then when they walk into the practice, you know, we're looking at kind of some of the things that I've already touched on. We're looking at muscle tone and movement patterns. We're looking at definitely posture patterns, people who are

down and slumped in their shoulders, have the weight of the world on their shoulders. And other people who are real like fight flight, know, they're like military straight, their shoulders are by their ears, you know, they're very clearly fighting away at whatever it is that's the unseen threat going on. Then we're looking at when we can get them lying down on the table. A lot of the time I'm looking at their breath, both on their front and on their back. A body that's very well regulated can really breathe very deeply, very fully, very openly on the

front and the back. And this might sound a little bit odd to say it, but they breathe through their whole spine. So when someone breathes in, we should see a rock in their pelvis. And when they breathe out, it should rock back down again. People who have a lot of disconnect through their lower back, for example, don't do that. So it's a really easy sign for me to be like, you've got a problem in your lower back. And it's because I can see it. So there's a lot of like, a lot of listening, a lot of watching, and then yeah, understanding things like posture.

balance, coordination, muscle response testing, all of these things. For me, it's not about necessarily diagnosing a specific condition, which is kind of similar to what MSK Chiropractic, traditional Chiropractic is about. Like they'll diagnose things like mechanical low back pain, disc bulges. So they are very, very useful for situations like that. But for me, it's really about understanding how we've got full adaptability with the nervous system and understanding that baseline function so I can realistically work with them to help them understand.

where they need to go next and how we can help really on that level.

Lucia Silver (13:46)
I think with your descriptions, it's very evident that ⁓ it's a very ⁓ collaborative way of working as well, really listening deeply to what your patients, our clients are saying and feeling and working from, you where are we needing to get to on this journey? What has brought you to this point in your journey? I very much felt.

seen and heard with that and also the integration of breath work is not necessarily something that people will expect is considered when they come to see you. I often feel like I walk in shallow breathing and I come out deep breathing. It's such an important indicator of our stress levels as you say. find as my shoulders are by my ears and I'm shallow breathing or I'm holding my breath when I'm stressed and having someone as you do observe my breath on the on the bed when I'm with you.

and then helping me to breathe deeper and yes, breathe into my spine. It sounds abstract, but that's exactly what it feels like. It's incredibly ⁓ liberating, but also brings you back into the now, brings you back into feeling present as opposed to in your head or on the to-do list or on the next thing. It's really just be here right now and know that you are safe. And that's beauty of

Dr Kylie Foster (15:06)
Yeah, and part of

that is also really purposeful. Like I very much set up our practice so that when someone walks through the door, there's a certain smell that should hit them to impact their nervous system. The visuals that we have around the room, the furnishings that we have are designed to be calming. Like we don't have overhead lights on. We have lights on the walls and things like that to help with that. One of the first things that I say to someone when they lie down is, I want you to take a big deep breath in and then I want you to let your whole

body relax down onto the table. And part of that is because I want to bring them into the room. Like I need to be with them and they need to be with me. We have quite an open plan adjusting room, but I don't ever feel like anyone doesn't want to be able to be in that space to be able to fully let go. And I think when a nervous system, whether a person realizes it or not, because different people are on different levels of what they know and understand about their own body and the nervous system, when you create an environment for people through your words,

your touch, through the environment that they're in in terms of what they see, what they smell as well, and what they feel, what that energy is from you and the space around you. They're able to then relax to a different level. And some of the releases that we do, they can release out a lot of emotions. And when that happens, we often comment about we have multiple tissue boxes around the room and we go through a lot of tissues because

when I think mothers are holding an awful lot together and you don't have a space where you feel like you can fully let go, when you do have an appointment coming up and you're in that supportive environment, your nervous system naturally is able to just be free to let go and let out and let those tears are extremely cathartic. They're a regulator, but when you're holding them in, you can't quite let them through because it's not the right environment, I feel very grateful that we can be able to provide that because that's what women need to be able to do when they are holding this all in and it's

all encompassing with, know, especially with, I know a lot of the people that your podcast touches. It's an incredibly hard job to be a mother generally, but it's harder when you have an additional need of a child.

Lucia Silver (17:10)
Amen to that. And if we don't take care of ourselves, as we'll come on to, you know, we cannot take care of our children adequately. So it really is a fundamental step in the healing journey for the whole family ecosystem. And I often reflect with Connah on whether we should have retitled our course, retitled our focus, not just the whole child, multidisciplinary roadmap, but actually the whole family, because we're all in it together. And you touched earlier on on

Dr Kylie Foster (17:34)
it.

Lucia Silver (17:39)
on pregnancy and prevention and beginning early. And I want to move on to that now. But I think we will all say as mothers, God, if I'd been in myself, my mum had taken me in as a baby. And if I had had this work all the way along, I wouldn't be sitting here now dealing with this, let alone a child who's also dealing with this. Because it's that bug.

Dr Kylie Foster (17:50)
Yeah.

I'm

Lucia Silver (18:01)
question, isn't it? What if I had known then what I know now? What if I had supported my nervous system during pregnancy? What if Quinn had been seen as a baby? How different might things have looked? ⁓ So I really, I want us to focus on this a little bit, because the greatest privilege I have now is, you know, sitting with Connah and going, you see, now when you get pregnant, when you're thinking of getting pregnant, now you're going to be as successful as possible, because we're dealing with the the fallout.

of a generation generations that haven't understood that they needed to take care of this. And therefore we're kind of trying to repair nervous systems. ⁓ And I know and thank goodness we have neuroplasticity. Thank goodness we are infinitely adaptable and it is never too late. But my goodness do I want to encourage parents to as soon as possible bring your little ones in. So let's talk about what role nervous system plays first of all during pregnancy, Kylie and

then what does a proactive or preventative approach look like? And by this, mean, bringing your baby in, rather than rushing back to work and being proud of that, rush your baby into the chiropractor. ⁓ Rather than waiting for symptoms to present and coming in, I've sat in your clinic and as a general rule, in nervous system focused chiropractors with babies that don't latch on, babies with colic, babies that, you know, there are a raft of reasons

why parents then make their way back to you with symptoms for support.

So talk to us about preventative and early intervention please.

Dr Kylie Foster (19:38)
So definitely, like, if I could ever encourage anyone, and this might be for women who are listening who have...

got children and they're thinking of having a second might be a really interesting way of looking at this, mainly because we do believe in a lot of preparation for having children. Like I have a six year old daughter and the year before I planned to have her, I'd already had a load of hormone testing, genetic testing. I'd had a lot of testing done to see what condition my body was in, in order to eventually one day grow a family. But I'm very privileged because I was in the chiropractic world. So I feel like I was very lucky in that respect.

When you start to look at this in terms of preconception planning, I'm very much an advocate for looking at your own genetic makeup and how well your nervous system is adapting and how it could therefore support a baby. And then during your pregnancy, really just, I think one of the biggest things I can probably advocate for is finding ways to manage your stress.

Chiropractic in this way is a fantastic tool to force you to regulate whether you want to or not in that respect. the adjustments are the protocol that we have and very much chiropractors focus on this arm of chiropractic. We are all focused on allowing your ability to go into that rest and digest that healing response. We're really focused on enabling that to happen with the adjustments that you receive. And when they are kind of, touched on neuroplasticity, that's essentially exactly what they are.

they are changing the way that your brain and body adapt to stress. So as you are going through one of the biggest hormonal shifts of your life in pregnancy, if your nervous system is supported, the coordination of that is very different. So I do recommend things like chiropractic in pregnancy, absolutely.

Lucia Silver (21:25)
There's significant research coming through now. know that Dr. Tony talks about it all the time, that a stressed mother, you know, it does have an impact on the fetus. There's no question. So we need to understand again our health through pregnancy, as you say, your stress adaptability, but also if you are stressed, to be able to understand what you can do to calm the system so that we don't transfer a lot of this.

Dr Kylie Foster (21:35)
It does.

Lucia Silver (21:52)
nervous system dysregulation to the developing baby in simple terms.

Dr Kylie Foster (21:56)
Yeah.

Or even if we do have a lot of stress in the pregnancy because we're releasing a different set of hormones, a baby then through again, neuroplasticity, it learns that, this is normal. This is normal. So my normal baseline of how I process stress and this is how I hold tension. But actually when you just have regular rhythms of stress, like reducing like a regular weekly appointment through the final, say the final trimester of your pregnancy, you know, at a minimum, what you're doing is every single week we're getting a break in

stress cycle. So you can have an incredibly stressful pregnancy, but as long as you're doing things to counteract it, you're very much supporting the idea of helping a baby adapt in utero to make it not be inadaptable when it comes into the outside world.

Lucia Silver (22:42)
Yeah. And on the converse, let's now sort of look at what we're seeing with children who then are expressing some of the dysregulation, little babies when they arrive. And one of the common things I certainly see in your clinic and that I hear many of the neurologically focused chiropractors talking about around the States is

the first presentation. So trouble with feeding, trouble with latching, trouble with reflex, with fussiness, babies that just don't seem comfortable.

clearly not sleeping. Then that leads on to colic and we can get into a whole other journey that we end up with with our babies when we're lots of moms listening with their little ones now thinking, we've been on that journey. Nothing, nothing's going right. When a baby struggles to latch, know, what's actually going on, Kylie, because I've seen so many of them in your clinic. I've seen so many moms presenting with babies that are struggling in this way. And it's something you're seeing. I mean,

It's sometimes all you're seeing with babies,

Dr Kylie Foster (23:41)
the time. ⁓

Yeah,

I feel like we have very much catered for two arenas at the moment where we look after baby latches, shoes and motherhood wellbeing to be quite honest with you. So in my experience, a latching challenge is it's not just about the mouth and it's also not the mum's fault. A lot of mums think that they're just not producing milk and that's really just not what it is. It's supply and demand. So as long as the baby is actually able to function properly through their neck, their jaw and actually their whole body is

involved, then it's very hard for them to get a good enough latch to be able to extract all the milk that then can get reproduced by the breast. So if a baby has tension where they picked up an injury in the birth process or from a positioning in utero, they can end up with a lot of tension through the neck, the jaw, and the rest of the whole body can feel extremely tense. We see a lot of like surfboard babies where they're like, and they're just holding really high tension. And this can really affect their comfort level at

breast, how they coordinate that suck, swallow and how they breathe. So it's not just really a feeding issue. It's actually multi-level faceted. And when you layer up things like tongue ties in there as well, it becomes a bit of a minefield unless you have the right people on your team. And I feel like chiropractors like us are very much focused on how do get a team supporting this latch challenge versus ⁓ a one-ton thing. It's definitely a process and every baby is slightly

be different with it.

Lucia Silver (25:16)
even words like tongue tie or oral dysfunction or I had no idea, absolutely no idea that the way that Quinn was delivered might have an impact despite the fact that there was so much distress, know, mums talk about what a terrible delivery they had and they were, we had ventous and forceps and we were hours in there and let alone the lights and the numbers of people. I mean, why wouldn't you arrive in a state of fright or But also,

Dr Kylie Foster (25:28)
Mm-hmm.

Lucia Silver (25:46)
I don't think there's any other time in life where it would be legal to handle a baby that way. I mean, when you goes on in modern birth

Dr Kylie Foster (25:52)
Yeah, it's pretty extreme.

Lucia Silver (25:57)
situations, it's quite extraordinary. And we're not programmed to say, want even just to be curious. I wonder if that might've had a little bit of an effect on my baby. So tongue tie is one.

latching and all of these other things can be outcomes of that physiological ⁓ process.

Dr Kylie Foster (26:18)
They're good indicators,

they're good signs that there's something that's not quite.

Lucia Silver (26:21)
Yeah.

Dr Kylie Foster (26:23)
something's not quite working right for sure. Like that difficulty latching or staying latched really well. Like mums who sit there and say they feed for, you know, an hour and because their baby falls asleep, that's not a good latch, that's dysfunction. And that's a baby that's going to, you know, struggle. And we get a lot of clicking and leaking, like messy feeding. Like mums who have got to the point where they've just, their health visitor has been like, it's not getting enough weight, you need to go onto formula, but they're very messy. You know, all the milk is going everywhere.

fluxy stuff or excessive wind because you know when they're not functioning right they're taking in the wind so they get very gassy and very uncomfortable they might not look fully one side there's lots of little signs that really you can see a baby that and often actually I tend to find that it's the grandparents that point things out and they'll be like my mum might like as in a mum will come in and be like my mum said that he doesn't really look to the right and and he's getting a bit flat in his head you know it's little things like that that they're like hmm i don't know if this is

normal and we're established where we are in our community now so we do have a lot of linkups and we have a lot of referrals come in but definitely when you're really new to this and you don't have another mum friend or you're not attending the class it's very hard to get access to understand is there something you know that I can do to support my child there's not necessarily anything wrong or your child's not sick or ill or anything that way but can we do stuff to you know really see if there's something going on with the way that the baby's body is under

stress and tension, like can we help that? That's the curiosity coming through.

Lucia Silver (27:57)
Absolutely. And just to recap again, because that was really helpful, you just touched on a few there, but the early signs that mothers could look out for in the first weeks or months around tongue tie or what might those be? said looking away, falling asleep whilst feeding, obviously not in the first place latching on. What else could we be looking forward to help out?

Dr Kylie Foster (28:04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

So one

of the biggest things for a tongue tie flag for us is if a baby loses more than 10 % of their birth weight within the first few days. So different areas around the UK will have slightly different protocols at the moment, but a baby's usually weighed around day three. And if a baby has lost more than 10%, that is a flag for a tongue tie. And there are different types of tongue ties. The NHS qualifications of the midwives, they're very poor.

And the protocol is you have to wait till day five of a baby to even get a referral in. And it can take two to four weeks now, especially in Gloucestershire, where we are, to know, like to get someone seen. And the releases are quite poor. There's no re-education of the whole cranial system that needs reworking because it's adapted to a tie. So that's one element of it. The other stuff is definitely clicking, clicking noises around the cranium or the jaw, a baby that only prefers to feed from one side to the other.

definitely very fussy at the breast. Or if you're having to do a position with feeding, which isn't just a cradle feeding position. If the baby will not do that and you have to adapt because ⁓ say a lactation consultant or someone has said to you, try the rugby hole or the front one. And it's, like, I'm always like, but why can't a baby cradle? Let's ask the question here. Let's get curious about this. We said about the babies that are holding a lot of tension, like babies that just feel like you pick them up and they're like cement blocks. You know, those are not normal.

more happy babies, babies that really, as they get to say, over four, six, eight, closer to that 12 week marker that don't like to do tummy time, that's a very strong flag to us that there's something going on in their system that needs help.

Lucia Silver (30:00)
we know that that also all leads on to primitive reflex integration and so on, which again, we've talked a lot about in our other podcast, a little in our masterclass that you and I have done as well. that is another piece of the story. And I know that we don't want to make any claims despite the fact that I have absolutely seen babies coming into your clinic with lots of troubles and coming out without those troubles. So I have witnessed it for myself, but what would you be?

Dr Kylie Foster (30:04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Lucia Silver (30:28)
what would you be doing with a little baby? If a mum's going, I'm bringing in my newborn, what are you gonna do with it? What are you actually going to do? in terms of, if it is a tongue tie or if it is latching issues, how are you helping the baby, physically speaking, doing?

Dr Kylie Foster (30:43)
Well, first

of all, I will say we do not crack babies because the amount of time that I get asked that I think it's very important to just say straight away that's never the approach. Babies are really interesting with how they need to be adjusted. They actually don't need a lot of force.

They need very light work. If you imagine a baby that's been through a difficult birth where they've had maybe a forceps delivery, they're tense, they're tight. So why would we be trying to force their body into something? We need to help unwind them. So a lot of the things that we're doing with a lot of these babies is really gentle, low force. We often compare it to, you know, if you go to the supermarket and you squeeze a tomato to check its ripeness, it's kind of like that pressure. So it's really, really light, really

small. A lot of kind of work that we do through the cranium is what we call intraoral work. So we use gloves and we go inside the mouth and we touch different points around in the inside of the jaw to make sure that the jaw is actually open and able to open up so they can actually get a wide for the latch. But also to make sure that their palate is nice and smooth. It should feel like a bridge. It should not feel too steep. It should not feel high and there should not be a ridge in it. And when we put our finger in, we're looking for

if we've got a really overstimulated gag reflex as well. So these are really good signs to us about the level of function. And then when we're working with a baby to help their cranial function, we're really looking at opening out different parts of the face. Some babies have had a newborn in actually a couple of weeks ago, only four days old. And their parents were talking, we talked about how there's a crease on the bridge of the nose in between the eyes, which makes her very frowny. And I was like, the reason why that's there is because there's a lot of tension running through the

cranium with the way that she couldn't latch and she had a tongue tie. So it really kind of compressed through that arena. So it was making her hard to breathe. So it's quite congested as well. And we talked about, they were like, we thought, we thought that was just because she frowns a lot. It's like, no, this is a, this is a functional issue. And once we open that up, you know, you, she won't look like she's frowning at you all the time. Like, my goodness, that's insane. So there's these little things that we see that parents see, but they don't always know why that's happening. And I feel like a lot of the time we're connecting the dots for them. And then the work that

we do is so gentle. I think the main thing about the work that we do is it's just repetitive. It's rinse and repeat with what we need to do with the baby for a good month. And as we're going through that month, we're just getting more and more progress with latching in terms of depth, strength, duration, more kind of appropriate timings between a baby being able to feed really well within 20, 30 minutes, go a significant stretch of time, then need another feed. So we're developing patterns and routines

around feeding for parents when we look at this area specifically.

Lucia Silver (33:34)
It's so lovely seeing all the little ones in. I love it. It just makes my heart sing. And I wish it for everyone. And if you're fortunate enough to be listening to this podcast or to any of our world leading experts, what a privilege to be able to understand what you can do early on. So let's look a little bit at what we see later. When those early signs aren't addressed, ⁓ to put it frankly, and I don't... ⁓

Dr Kylie Foster (33:57)
Mm-hmm.

Lucia Silver (34:05)
try and cream the issue, these issues don't go away. In fact, they evolve. If the nervous system is stuck and if some of these dysfunctions are in place and the body can't do what it needs to do to focus on developing rather than protecting itself, we start to see all sorts of things presenting. So nervous system dysregulation shows up in children as they grow. And I'd like to talk about that with you.

Dr Kylie Foster (34:31)
times.

Lucia Silver (34:33)
Kylie, how supporting the nervous system in children who are presenting can help towards the behaviours that we might see, anxiety, attention issues, sensory issues. These are all the areas where we see it creeping into when it hasn't been addressed early on. So what would you say to a parent who is perhaps challenged with...

a young child who is struggling to sit still in school, struggling with anxiety, struggling with sensory issues and various dysregulated moods and behaviours.

How can we support the nervous system?

Dr Kylie Foster (35:13)
So supporting it really, it's going back to that foundational element of, how do we know whether it's working or not working? Like, is it adaptable right now? And in all ages and stages, it comes back to, if you look at the nervous system and what it needs, it needs to be able to sleep well, so it needs rest.

It needs to have good bowel movements because it needs to detox and remove toxins from the body. It needs to be able to feed well. So if you go back and look at any latch issues or in toddlers that have got lots of mouth sensitivity that's been unaddressed, then they can end up with lots of food aversions or the beige textures. We see a lot of that with not developing the senses very well. So we really look at, and then we look at the behaviour, like is it appropriate for the age? Do we have a lot of meltdowns and toddler tantrum?

going on, or is it just a child learning the world and being able to respond fine? You we really have to look at the clues that a child gives us with their behaviour with eat, sleep, poop and emotions. And also it's the same with adults, to be quite honest with you. Like if we've all got all of those going on, then we're usually pretty well regulated humans. So very much so with any age and stage of a child, it's understanding that to kind of understand how dysregulation can really show up.

at different points and when it's abnormal, being able to understand from our side, well, what is the function of the nervous system like for this child? Once we've got that level under control, once we've got a really stable looking system, then we start to go into, what area, what sense do we seem to not be doing very well with next? Is that coordination and balance, which is where their body is in space and how well that's feedbacking? Do we need to go into a program that way? Is it the primitive reflex stuff?

Is it to do with eye tracking? Is it hearing? Is it digestion? Is it detox? Like all of the things that are in your course. Like we have to look into those every single element and almost kind of tick box it. And then because we are developing humans that are always exposed to new things, we have to go back and do it all over again. So it's a constant kind of, you know, we have to constantly keep working on these things. If you want to have a child that is more adaptable or if you yourself want to be more adaptable.

So it is a lot and I appreciate it's a lot that parents have to do to help support their children. But the parents I've met... ⁓

very much looking for how do I do this and who is going to help me coordinate it because it's very difficult to be the advocate all the time and making all the choices and not knowing whether it's the right thing. So I really find that chiropractic in this manner, when we look at the nervous system and support it, we're kind of like a barometer. We can let you know whether the nervous system is adaptable or whether it's compensating and struggling with what's going on in the environment. And then we can pose questions to understand why that

might be happening, and then which area to then move forward in next.

Lucia Silver (38:15)
And as you say, it's a rinse and repeat in that we're constantly training the brain and building the brain, building the nervous system to respond appropriately, respond appropriately and show it safe pathways, create neural networks which are proportionate to the experience being undertaken. And the more that we can do that in each time, I see that very much with Quinn and I, it's, as you say,

Dr Kylie Foster (38:27)
Absolutely.

West.

Lucia Silver (38:44)
Then you're dealing with hormones and that's a whole new thing because he's a 12. Then you're dealing with the fact that every other week he's having a sporting accident because he's a sporty child. This is life happening. as you always remind me, we're never going to take that away. He's a rambunctious boy. So for parents listening, it's not that any of these stresses, if you like, disappear. It's...

Dr Kylie Foster (38:47)
Hehehehe

Yeah.

Lucia Silver (39:11)
increasing the window of tolerance as you so eloquently put it, Kylie, but also training the brain, training the nervous system constantly to respond in this way, not that way. And I think the measure of repetition, know, the brain and the nervous system in its entirety, love routine, love repetition. So I think when we give it healthy repetition,

That's why we call it foundational because then it can start to create the building blocks for a secure pathway forwards. It knows what to expect and it knows how to respond. So that's what we're looking for. And when we're seeing our children with these behavioural mood dysregulations and meltdowns and so on from toddlerhood through to late teens,

That's just a nervous system acting out. There are biological issues as well that we touch on and that we know about through other areas. But fundamentally, when the nervous system is safe, you've got a very strong platform from which to navigate, haven't you? And that's what we're looking for. That's why for me, in a way, this work, your work, body work, nervous system work, is always a piece of life. It's not gonna go away. It's a fundamental piece.

Dr Kylie Foster (40:21)
Yeah, that's the thing.

you

Lucia Silver (40:33)
I want to bring this into something more personal now, Kylie. I want to refer to you as Dr. Kylie, but you've become such a close part of my life that I have to remind myself to say Dr. Kylie, but to me, you're my Kylie.

Dr Kylie Foster (40:47)
I'm fine

without the doctor. I don't let the kids call me doctor because it intimidates them. So you are fine.

Lucia Silver (40:54)
But I really wanted close focus on this now because I think the most powerful way to understand something is to see it through a real experience. And I'm open to sharing this, ⁓ my personal experience, because I know how much it helps parents connect the dots. And there are days that I walk into your clinic completely fine, but there are days where I arrive overwhelmed, overstimulated and holding far more than I've managed to process or regulate.

So I would like to share, if it helps parents to hear it this way, that when I come in in that state, what are you actually seeing in my body?

Dr Kylie Foster (41:34)
So, I'm just gonna bring it back, because one of my favourite phrases that popped up whilst you were saying that is, a lot of people come in and they, I always say, you what do need to know? And then people tell me, but then they usually finish it, be going.

you'll tell me what, you'll know, you'll tell me when I lie down what I'm really going through. And it's really because all I'm looking for is how your body is holding tension and whether it's in little pockets, whether there's little patches of holding that can relate to different parts of the nervous system and different organ systems and different muscles and what that can mean for a different area, or if there's a really big kind of global holding pattern. So people who have a nervous system that's quite,

fight flight, so when they're very overwhelmed, we can see it, but you can see it in their posture. They come in with their shoulders are like almost straight by their ears, and I can't actually see their neck. So often when people are finished being adjusted, I say to them, look, I can see your neck again. And it's really because we've opened everything up.

So what will typically happen is the muscle system will just be in a global state. So if you think about the notion of fighting or fighting, so if we are going to physically run away or we're going to fight, we have a lot of holding that needs to happen in our shoulders, our upper back, our neck and our arms. So we literally get ready to go. So that hold just stays there. The more activated it is or more intense that activation is, we see that in the upper shoulders, neck and back all the way up.

the upper part of the neck and the base of the skull and everything kind of squashes in in those areas and those muscles feel very tense. when you're in a big kind of... when you've had a week, which has been, wow, that's been a week, I know whether you've had a big week or not. And sometimes, which is, think, really special about the techniques that we do with this type of chiropractic is when someone is under immense stress that they start to disconnect, they stop being

able to actually feel what's going on in their body. So they will come in and say, I'm fine. And then I'll be like, okay, now let's see what I find. And then as we go through and I start to press in certain areas or I make them aware of things that are and aren't happening, they're like,

Oh wow, I didn't realize that. And this is because we've gone down into these deep protective states. So part of the work is not just to make people feel better, like feel calmer. Part of the work is actually to bring the nervous system back into the world again and get it okay to feel. So it's incredibly common, unfortunately, because women don't check in with themselves. And often an appointment like a chiropractic appointment like this, it's the one time that I'll ask you, you know, what do need to know? And you'll be like, I'm fine.

no, wait a minute, actually I'm not. And then you can voice out. So it's also a very safe space to get that voicing out of how you really are versus the mask in the school playground of I'm fine or whatever it might be.

Lucia Silver (44:33)
Indeed, and that is exactly how I feel. To be seen and heard in itself is a fantastically ⁓ palliative way of coming back to baseline, isn't it? And it's also a very difficult way to of navigate life because I think we know as mothers, particularly, we keep going, sometimes intentionally. Yes, there's a disassociation with our bodies, but we also know sometimes, I can't afford to get sick.

You know, and you're, always say to you, I'm quite sure I must somewhere in this mix have an autoimmune disorder because I just never got sick. People go like flu and colds and this and that, you know, I've been sick once in the last couple of years, which in and of itself, that's not, I don't want to meddle. That's, you know, that's not allowing the body. We need fevers, we need sickness, we need to build our natural immunity to be at that level of hyper alert, running at that level of

Dr Kylie Foster (45:07)
Thank you.

Lucia Silver (45:29)
hypervigilance is not a healthy state. So I think it's a difficult one for mothers because they sort of, I don't really want to feel my back pain because I've got three school runs to do, I've got a meal to cook and I've got to get, you know, so and so to A &E tonight. You can't, you can't stop. So we, this is not said with the sort of, without understanding the challenges that we face and how we.

Dr Kylie Foster (45:45)
Yeah.

Excuse me.

Lucia Silver (45:56)
and keep going or as you and I touched on in our masterclass, it's all very well, isn't it? When people say, put your oxygen mask on first, take a break, light a candle, have a bath, go for a 30 minute walk and you've got three children, two of whom might have special needs, maybe a partner who's not supporting you and you feel like going, oh, go, you know, how was I supposed to find another half an hour for, you know, a scented candle and a bath? It just isn't gonna happen.

Dr Kylie Foster (46:07)
Yeah, not really.

Lucia Silver (46:26)
So that's why we have to come back to this expansion of resilience, to this increasing our window of tolerance and really taking care of yourself first in order that you can do more for your children. This is not a of friffery of kind of, yeah, it's profound. It's a profound adjustment in how we need to operate in order to give our best selves to our children.

So that's an important piece. We've done a nice little full circle in that we're looking at prevention, we're looking at how healthy we are during pregnancy, we're looking at delivery, then we've looked at early development and we're looking at toddlers and their attention behaviours that are presenting. And now we're coming back to look at what place a mother's nervous system

sits in, in order that our child can heal. And this is a piece that has been very challenging to understand for me in that.

It's also where things changed for me because for a long time I was so focused on Quinn, on what he needed, what he was going through with his parents, that I didn't fully realize how much my nervous system was part of the picture. And I've said to you, ⁓ it was once confidential, it's not now, it's very much on my podcast in the public arena, that I am fairly sure I had a nervous breakdown when Quinn had his first flare.

⁓ his fortunately his first and only grave flair, but it was so dramatic, know, effectively feeling I was losing my son, unrecognizable to me, so dysregulated, so angry, so anxious with motor and, you know, vocal tics with seizures. I was consumed by fear and worry and study and sleeplessness and

all of the above, but it didn't occur to me that if I was going to help him heal, I had to feel safe for him to heal. And I certainly didn't feel safe. I felt anything but safe. I felt lost and I was determined. I was definitely at a level focused, but I was definitely dysregulated holding onto all of that. So I really want to

Dr Kylie Foster (48:46)
Yeah.

Lucia Silver (49:05)
focus our attention on not just preparing your body as a mother to give more to your kids, not just, ⁓ but to really understand it's an inextricable part of your child's healing. And it's the whole family, by the way, it's not just mum, it's dad and anyone who's in the picture, siblings, everyone, we're a very delicate ecosystem of nervous systems working together to feel safe and heal. And our tendency is to look at

Dr Kylie Foster (49:18)
it is.

Lucia Silver (49:35)
said child in isolation, in a bit the same way as we look at everything in modern medicine. If it's the finger, look at the finger. If it's the gut, look at the gut, rather than very intricate systems all interrelating in the same way that different members of the family interrelate and impact on one another's nervous system. So when mothers come into your practice, Kylie, they're often holding so much physically and emotionally.

What do you commonly see in their bodies and nervous systems? And I know this can be quite confronting, but it's really, really empowering to share where I've come from and where I'm at now, thanks to your help. lean into bit more to help?

Dr Kylie Foster (50:21)
so it's something I'd

just like to go back because you just said something really important. I kind of want to close a little loop just to talk about the intricacies of the like the co-regulators. So when we talk about the family unit, definitely if you've got a...

Lucia Silver (50:27)
Good.

Dr Kylie Foster (50:35)
If you think about the way that the nervous system develops in terms of how it learns how to regulate its own emotions, up until the age of around six, we are heavily dependent on our parents or our primary caregivers to help us when we are feeling off kilter. So a child will need its mother or need its father or grandmother or whoever it really regulates off of very heavily. And then at around six years of old, between six and eight, the brain starts to switch on what's called the prefrontal cortex.

And that prefrontal cortex is our logical brain centre.

So it's where we start having conversations with children to say, like, when you're feeling this, this is this emotion. So when you feel like you want to hit something, that's you feeling angry. That starts, but it doesn't fully develop until 23 years old. So you can imagine as we go through, and some adults, it doesn't fully develop ever because we're not taught how to feel an emotion, let it wash and let it pass. And that co-regulation, therefore, as adults, sometimes we need

that off of other adults to make us feel calm and safe again. So I just wanted to kind of link on that. It's one of the reasons why ⁓ for mothers especially, I often say to my other chiropractor who works with me, Danielle, like when we come into work...

we leave our stuff at the door because we are here to co-regulate others. So we, when we're not here, are working on our nervous systems quite aggressively with how we protect our time because we have a lot of people that have got to show up at their, probably some of them at their worst, that need to borrow from us. So, you know, it's really important that I think people are aware that it's very normal to feel depleted by your family and that's okay.

but it's just trying to like change the perception of it. This is a piece that everyone goes through, but it's just something to work on the co-regulation of yourself to be able to help your child in that nature as well, which is something, yeah, you've done a fantastic job of leaning into in the last sort of year or so.

When I see women coming in and the things that I'm looking for again It's it's quite similar to what I see in the general adult population because we're looking at you know How does how does the nervous system look right now? but I tend to find the main difference between a lot of women who are coming in where they are in these environments where they have families with children who do have additional needs emotionally especially or they have children that are non-communicative You know or they're disabled, you know, we have a lot of those mothers coming in as well very much

So their bodies are, I find that they're very depleted. their body is wired, but their actual nervous system is extremely depleted and they're quite disconnected. So it's very hard for them to really feel what they need to feel. very, they don't want to talk much.

They're very quiet. they don't want to seem like they're bothering us with anything. You know, they feel that they're really almost childlike and need to be kind of held in a different way, which is, you know, both sad, but also wonderful that they've taken the initiative to come through. What we find in their body is different. some people can be quite depleted, but everything feels very loose, almost like hypermobile. Like everything is just, and it almost needs waking up a little bit. Other people are wired and need bringing down. So very much the way that.

Lucia Silver (53:55)
you

Dr Kylie Foster (53:59)
we approach looking after women is trying to understand how they're showing up on the table. It's not just about that initial exam that gives us an overview, but again, we are adaptable to our environment. So therefore whatever we've gone through will show up slightly differently when we go through quite a specific protocol that we have to analyse a nervous system every visit. So we know where to adjust, how much force to adjust, and when to just leave it alone. know, sometimes we can do minimal adjusting, but that's profound enough that when they leave, we've had a shift.

Lucia Silver (54:30)
And listening to you describing that, I mean, it's interesting. It's in our shop and our booklist recommendations, a lot of Stephen Borges' work on the polyvagal theory. It sounds nerdy, but actually to start to understand that we're not necessarily just in fight or flight or in rest and digest. We have these sort of vicissitudes or these oscillations that the nervous system, again, it's still trying to survive. It's still trying to find its way to navigate what it's

meeting each and every moment, but quite often I find the parents are, as you describe, they are either in a state of sort of hypervigilance, know, chronic stress, which eventually will present in autoimmune disorders and hypothyroidism and all of these Hashimoto's, all of these conditions that are so prevalent in our more recent generations that are absolutely to do with enduring chronic stress where

it does look like someone is kind of sprinting, bolting all the time. kind of put myself in that camp and kind of, long for that moment where you sort of, you hit another unhealthy place, which is shut down and as you say, disassociation. So quite often I find myself speaking to moms who are like, the lights are on, but no one's at home. They've just sort of checked out. And those are two of the extreme ways around sort of dorsal vagal and these different ways that the nervous system will,

Dr Kylie Foster (55:48)
Yeah.

Lucia Silver (55:58)
as we say, navigate, where you end up presenting with anything but actually being in the here and now, which is why for me, the nervous system bodywork insists upon you coming into the present moment. And if it did nothing else and it does a multitude more things than that, it just stops me for that moment in the day and brings me back into my body because a lot of the time we're operating on

on the assumption or the reaction that right here isn't safe, therefore I've just got to keep going. I've just got to keep going. Whatever it is, it's another to-do list or another thing. But actually, I think that's sometimes why it makes me cry. It makes me sort of, it's the release of actually stopping and being shown that it's okay right now. It's okay right now.

What a crazy predicament we found ourselves in, where just to be here right now feels so terrifying. And we've found so many mechanisms and adaptations and things we do in life to distract us, keep us going, keep us moving. And we judge ourselves for it. Why can't I just get to yoga? Why can't I just eat healthily? Why can't I just... It's because the nervous system is driving that...

Dr Kylie Foster (56:57)
Thank

Lucia Silver (57:24)
Agitation is driving that lack of safety. So it's not as easy as just to write it down on a list or say it is a New Year's resolution and then beat yourself up because you didn't do it again. And Stephen Porgess just talks about co-regulation as a biological necessity, not a nicety. It's not a nicety. So even talkie therapy sometimes just don't do it. We need to show the body.

Dr Kylie Foster (57:43)
Yes.

Lucia Silver (57:53)
shine the light on the pathway back. So yeah, I just wanted to say that as well because I think it's ⁓ any opportunity we have often to pick up a stick and beat ourselves with it and sort of why don't I manage to do this? Why aren't I karma? Why can't I sit still? And this is, wouldn't you say Kylie, this is probably the principle driving reason why.

Dr Kylie Foster (58:18)
Yeah, and also I think one thing that popped up when you were saying that was there's a book called The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel Van der Kosh and he, I listened to him on an interview recently actually and he was really talking about what we know about what the nervous system of a person has gone through through life and the body really does hold it.

physically, emotionally, and if we don't find outlets for it, how detrimental that can be to our health. What we also have to remember is the mothers of these children who were struggling were once children as well.

And they've probably been through things as well. So when you suddenly are then put in this situation where you become a mother and it's for the first time and it's not what you dreamed it would be and it's manifested in a certain way, that in itself can be quite traumatic. And I think taking a second to kind of really understand that you're not really doing anything wrong. It's just how your nervous system was taught to adapt through your childhood, your adolescent and everything that you've been through is a piece of this.

that time to be able to kind of almost find your support system because this isn't a fix. know, chiropractic is, in my opinion, in this way, it's not about fixing a problem. It's about supporting where you're at and getting more capacity because the life is probably not going to change. And if anything, as a child gets older and goes through teens into adulthood, it can become harder with how you need to support and it shifts. So it's about really trying to get to

place where you can feel in yourself that you have that resilience and that safety and you can handle what comes and that's where this nervous system work really I feel like it comes into its own in that way.

Lucia Silver (1:00:03)
Absolutely. So Kylie, in rounding up, can I ask you?

If there's one thing that you wish every parent understood about their child's nervous system or their own, especially earlier, what would that be?

Dr Kylie Foster (1:00:22)
Do you know what I would?

It kind of touched on something we said earlier actually. I would just invite them to be curious around their behaviour. So no matter what age and stage you have for your child, I feel if you can be a little bit more curious around asking about, does my child have the ability to handle whatever is going on? Does it have communication in their nervous system? Rather than saying what's wrong with them, just try and figure out what are they trying to tell me here? What is their system doing well with? What does it look like

struggling with and from there that can just start to shift the way that you perceive how to help your child.

Lucia Silver (1:01:03)
Thank you. I hope everyone's digesting that because it's huge. Kylie, I just want to take a moment to properly say thank you, not just for this conversation today, but for the care you've given both me and Quinn over time, because this hasn't just been another piece of our journey. It's been a foundational, absolutely life-changing part of it. And there have been moments, as I've said, I've walked through your doors not coping, and I've left feeling safer.

held calmer, clearer, more able to cope, not just for myself, but most importantly for Quinn too. And I think what you built at Organic Family Chiropractic is incredibly special. It's not just clinical care, it's compassion, it's community, it's understanding, and that is something so many families are searching for. So thank you for the work you do, for the families you support, and for being such an important part of our journey.

Dr Kylie Foster (1:02:04)
Well, thank you and thank you for finding us because the conversations that you and I get to have, you know, they're fun, because you're so nerdy. So I get to geek out with you and I don't always get to do that with all of my practice members. So, no, you and Quinn, we all absolutely adore you and yeah, we light up when we see your names on the diary. So yeah, I always look forward to it.

Lucia Silver (1:02:29)
Thank you, Kylie. And if you're listening to this and something has resonated, if this has helped you connect a few dots or see your child or even yourself in a new light, then please do share this episode with another parent who might need to hear it. Don't forget to subscribe to My Mighty Quinn so you don't miss future episodes like this. And we'll include all of Dr. Kylie's details in the show notes so you can find her, her incredible team, learn more about her work and explore whether this could be the right next step for your family.

and we'll also be sharing a beautiful free resource from Dr. Kylie, which we're calling the Nervous System Toolkit and Support Guide for Mum and Chief Caregivers, of course. So do keep an eye out for that. It will be linked below this episode. And if you'd like to understand a little more about the bigger picture of your child's healing, Dr. Kylie and I actually recorded a free masterclass.

which is entitled From Burnout to Breakthrough, How Your Nervous System Shapes Your Child's Recovery. And the link to that is also in the show notes. So that's it for today. Thank you for being here and I'll see you in the next episode.